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PretzelPack said... (original post) The paradox is that ESPN and the Cheats are tied at the hip, but ESPN wants (has benefited) from the pay for play system. ESPN is not going to ...
Yes, and we all know that for decades in football the SEC and at least some programs in the Big 10 were allowed to skirt the rules in a way that choked off the possibility of outside teams getting to that level. Besides, we have enough transplants here from everywhere else, that I am sure they get enough of the TV share of the market it doesn't really matter.
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PretzelPack said... (original post) Yes, they are the tallest midget, but they aren't more valuable than Clemson or Florida State.
Disagree
Their brand is way bigger than either of those unfortunately
I didn’t say as a football school but unc crap is everywhere you go
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The Main point is that football is the driver and football in the State of North Carolina is irrelevant on the national landscape. We might be the 9th largest state, but we have no football power in this state. No one is clamoring that "we've gotta get North Carolina in here" and the way that local cable television is tanking and streaming is a flop throws a monkey wrench into the whole carriage fee thing. No one needs a representative of the State of North Carolina so they can get more money.
As we move forward the way these contracts are written will evolve and be rewritten to reflect the evolving landscape. That landscape reflects dying local cable and direct to consumer a la carte streaming options. It will be all about brands on the National landscape and we don't have one here in North Carolina. Florida has multiple and Clemson isn't going to get left behind, because South Carolina is already in the SEC.
It doesn't matter to me that North Carolina is ahead of NC State on the totem pole. It is irrelevant. It really doesn't matter.
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I’ve always thought it was a mistake to bring in FSU, Miami and VT just to increase football revenue, and now it’s going to cost us. I opposed it because the ACC already had two recent national champion football teams, Clemson and GT, and it would tarnish our elite BB status. All this focus on FB has not been the best for my favorite sport and it hasnt improved anything for FB in the ACC.
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jds0881 said... (original post) Disagree Their brand is way bigger than either of those unfortunately I didn’t say as a football school but unc crap is everywhere you go
Yep, but this isn't about wearing t-shirts so it's still irrelevant when it comes to this matter. This matter is about eyeballs watching football games on television and in stadiums.
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Supersport said... (original post) I’ve always thought it was a mistake to bring in FSU, Miami and VT just to increase football revenue, and now it’s going to cost us. I opposed i...
The writing was starting to be on the wall by that point that you needed to grow. Had we not taken them, and they went to one of the other conferences, it would have likely just hastened the death of the conference.
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Hard to argue with UNC from an athletic or academic standpoint.
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PretzelPack said... (original post) Yes, they are the tallest midget, but they aren't more valuable than Clemson or Florida State.
Disagree.
And I hate the holes more than anyone I know.
Their brand is easily more valuable than FSU and Klempsun.
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hunwolf said... (original post) Hard to argue with UNC from an athletic or academic standpoint.
You blew it when you added in the academic standpoint. WTF dude? Athletics is true, and I can admit that. But academics???
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Calcio67 said... (original post) Disagree. And I hate the holes more than none I know. Their brand is easily more valuable than FSU and Klempsun.
It depends on what you are talking about though. Yes, people buy a ton of UNC merchandise. That does not appear to in any way translate into eyeballs when they play football, as ratings and attendance clearly show. So, from an advertiser's point of view, who are you going to add from NC that moves the needle in a positive way for football?
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Supersport said... (original post) I’ve always thought it was a mistake to bring in FSU, Miami and VT just to increase football revenue, and now it’s going to cost us. I opposed i...
The focus would still be on football and having better competition never hurts. What was bad was having John Swofford running the ACC in Chapel Hill's interest, which was basketball. So the ACC was primarily funneling everything towards Cheat basketball while college basketball was stagnating, while bringing in some football universities to stabilize the conference. We weren't trying to grow football. The ACC didn't bring in Florida State and try to raise the level of the others. The ACC brought in those other universities as a crutch to prop up everything, while football was the primary focus of the B1G, SEC, B12, and PAC12.
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hunwolf said... (original post) Hard to argue with UNC from an athletic or academic standpoint.
Chuckle
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Calcio67 said... (original post) You blew it when you added in the academic standpoint. WTF dude? Athletics is true, and I can admit that. But academics???
Chuckle... he gotcha
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An analysis by SI from 2 years ago shows that Clemson, FSU, and Carolina are all fairly close in their respective values. UNC's academics and 'all sports' considerations are what saves it...
Desirability Ratings: Measuring Each Power 5 School’s Conference Value
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MrKeeper said... (original post) It depends on what you are talking about though. Yes, people buy a ton of UNC merchandise. That does not appear to in any way translate into eyeba...
I think When you consider:
1) physical location
2) brand profile, which is greater for the holes than the Noles and Tigers
3) Nike relationship
4) combined football and basketball profile
5) academics (though this is more perception than reality as we all know)
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MrKeeper said... (original post) It depends on what you are talking about though. Yes, people buy a ton of UNC merchandise. That does not appear to in any way translate into eyeba...
No one is desirable until somebody comes to prominence. I can see the Cheats getting in the B1G as canon fodder though. It isn't like they would be a threat to the powers in the conference. so they might throw them a bone. I don't see the SEC wanting the Cheats. The Cheats don't fit the southern culture -- too liberal, a women's university, and northern influence. Unfortunately, State should have been working on getting into the SEC a couple of decades ago, but you all wanted to be in the ACC sooooo bad and now you get to reap what you sowed. Right now this is all too big for NC State. State will slide right into the mega-conference that the Big 12 becomes and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Updates for Monday 5/6 (previous update was Monday 4/29)
Cal: Mady Sissoko transfers in from Michigan State; Christian Tucker transfers in from UTSA; DJ Campbell transfers in from Western Carolina
Clemson: RJ Godfrey commits to Georgia
Duke: Sean Stewart commits to Ohio State; TJ Power commits to Boston College
FSU: Cam'Ron Fletcher enters the portal; Jalen Warley commits to Virginia; Justin Thomas transfers in from UTSA; Bostyn Holt transfers in from South Dakota; Tom House commits to Furman
GT: Miles Kelly enters the portal; Amaree Abram commits to Louisiana Tech
Louisville: Hercy Miller enters the portal; Danilo Jovanovich commits to Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Miami: Norchad Omier commits to Baylor; Wooga Poplar enters the portal; Christian Watson transfers to Southern Miss
SMU: Ja'Heim Hudson enters the portal; Tyreek Smith commits to Memphis; Jalen Smith commits to Rice; Zurich Phelps commits to Texas A&M; Ricardo Wright commits to Kennesaw State; Matt Cross transfers in from UMass; Yohan Traore transfers in from UC Santa Barbara; Kevin Miller transfers in from Wake Forest
Stanford: Oziyah Sellers transfers in from Southern Cal
Virginia: Jalen Warley transfers in from FSU
VT: Toibu Lawal transfers in from VCU; John Camden commits to Delaware
Wake: Kevin Miller commits to SMU
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pack81 said... (original post) An analysis by SI from 2 years ago shows that Clemson, FSU, and Carolina are all fairly close in their respective values. UNC's academics and &...
Even with those "B.S." numbers. NC State is right there. Anything related to academics and viewership and uncch is a joke. Then compare State's competitiveness in all sports and look at uncch and tell me that State hasn't been more successful. Men's basketball and women's soccer are the only programs where they are better than State over the past decade.
Besides that, this is all about Football and everything else is a non-factor.
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Calcio67 said... (original post) I think When you consider:1) physical location2) brand profile, which is greater for the holes than the Noles and Tigers3) Nike relationship4) com...
I think the brand thing is tainted for us here in North Carolina, because we see it. They do sell t-shirts, but there is no national groundswell for their football and this is 90%+ football. People know Clemson and Florida State football. They have seen those on New Year's Day. They don't even know that the Cheats have a football team.
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Maybe because I'm surrounded by it locally, but you see more Bama crap worldwide than anything. Hell, there is a store dedicated to Alabama gear in Old Town Jerusalem.
Everyone else is just fighting for second place.
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PretzelPack said... (original post) I think the brand thing is tainted for us here in North Carolina, because we see it. They do sell t-shirts, but there is no national groundswel...
Fair point sir.
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PretzelPack said... (original post) Even with those "B.S." numbers. NC State is right there. Anything related to academics and viewership and uncch is a joke. Then compa...
Your bias is severely limiting your objectivity. The numbers are from Learfield, rankings, broadcast viewing numbers - all categories that we continually place value in around here. UNC's academics definitely has an asterisk, but if a family member of mine gets badly burned, the UNC Burn Center is the only consideration. Likewise, if a kid in my family gets cancer and the consideration is hand's down for the Children's Hospital. None of that is a joke. Moreover, there are too many posters here paying for their kid's UNC education for it to be that much of a joke.
State doesn't have men's and women's fencing, field hockey, and women's lacrosse. Their men's golf, women's track, women's swimming, men's and women's tennis have killed it in the ACC, mostly recently. This is how they score big on 'all sports'.
Everything in that analysis is a factor in conference realignment, not just football. Any exclusion is using convenience.
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PretzelPack said... (original post) Even with those "B.S." numbers. NC State is right there. Anything related to academics and viewership and uncch is a joke. Then compa...
I do not think that our two football programs are really viewed much differently on the national stage.
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Supersport said... (original post) I’ve always thought it was a mistake to bring in FSU, Miami and VT just to increase football revenue, and now it’s going to cost us. I opposed i...
None of those were a mistake. I guess you could argue VT, but it wasn't a bad addition. At least not compared to BC and Syracuse.
The bigger problem is that they were not able to maintain their success. Of course, that might have been because of the move.
Miami finished in the top 5, with a national title, in the 4 years before joining the ACC. You don't think that would've helped our TV contract if they could've just remained a consistent top 20 team?
VT was a consistent top 20 team when they joined, but Beamer should've retired a few years earlier. And they have fallen off the football map since he left. VT as a consistent top 20 team would've helped the TV contract.
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broccolipack said... (original post) I do not think that our two football programs are really viewed much differently on the national stage.
Agree 100%
